So, instead of reading what I wrote, you choose to remain willfully ignorant.
I am not responding further for your sake, but for the sake of those who read this thread.
> taking speed makes anyone more productive, not just those with adhd.
Speed (methamphetamine) has the same relationship to Adderall (dextroamphetamines) as methanol does to ethanol; a difference in methyl group.
Ethanol (aka alcohol) is commonly used for recreational purposes.
If you think Adderall is the same thing as "speed", I hope you wouldn't mind drinking a glass of methanol to prove the point that chemically similar substances have similar effects.
> modern western society exhibits a plethora of conditions that are likely to result in the manifestation of adhd behaviours in non adhd individuals
Which is why the diagnostic criteria for ADHD require a lifelong manifestation of ADHD symptoms.
Notice how you say behaviors, not symptoms or traits, i.e. how people act, and not how they feel, which difficulties they face, what cost they bear, and so on.
The behavior of an ADHD individual might be no different from one without ADHD. We can be on time, for example.
It is just immensely more difficult for us, just like it's difficult for someone with a broken leg that didn't quite heal to walk.
And yes, anyone can bump their toe on a table leg and experience pain for a while. That doesn't mean that people with broken legs don't exist.
>a brain scan is not part of the diagnostic criteria for labelling adhd.
It isn't, because we have cheaper and more reliable ways.
The difference is there though.
> you would have to provide a convincing argument that doping up the populace is objectively the best path forward - to me it seems that this is not the best path forward, rather one that serves to minimize societal friction.
Believing that "doping up the populace" is what's taking place is a delusion that I can't address in the same way that I can't address the belief that the Loch Ness monster caused the 2019 Coronavirus pandemic.
Unfortunately, your worldview seem to be as strongly detached from reality as you are convinced about the veracity of your unshakable beliefs.
But again, if you sincerely believe people taking Adderall are taking speed, you really could save a lot on booze by drinking methanol instead.
>youre very close to freeing yourself but the speed has an iron grip on your thoughts , i wish you all the best and hope that things may settle down
Oh my. I was going to ask if you've drank a glass of methanol to argue that Adderall and speed the same thing, as I suggested... but judging my the content of your comments, you might have had more than one already.
we could choose to produce an environment that handles normal human behaviour , but instead we label normal human behaviour as dissonant , its an idea so simple yet one so violently opposed , such violence only spurs me on to champion the idea
ADHD behavior is normal human behavior, because we're all human.
And indeed, some quite reasonable accommodations and changes in the way the society functions and forms expectations of ourselves and others would go a long way towards making ADHD folks living fulfilling lives without pain.
All that said, executive dysfunction is still a thing, and ADHD folks routinely find themselves struggling with their own goals and lives, apart from the society and its expectations.
Technology can and does help a lot (electric kettles that turn themselves off, washer-dryer combo machines that don't require remembering to take clothes out, etc).
But then there are still things that I struggle with on my own, like wanting to send postcards to friends and taking literal years to get to it.
I really can't blame it on the society.
That's where the meds can make a big difference in one's life.
In some ways, ADHD is an advantage. We fare better than others in emergencies. Hyperfocus is an asset. Having a million hobbies is a plus.
But in other ways, it's something that makes us need support.
The meds are one of the ways the society accommodates us and gives us that support.
if you took an adhd cunt and threw him in the bush he would be fine ... but if you threw him into a cookie cutter hyper capitalist no-hope no-wife no-friends no-third-space doomscroll-to-death sealed box , that man wouldn't be fine! the man in question never changed , only his environment did. ergo , societal amphetamines are about as supportive as me handing you a set of crutches after i broke your legs. but trying to blame adhd on society is basically a copout as it reflects the way that society treats individuals ("here, take this speed and wreck your heart so that you fit better into the box we designed for you"). the only way forward is to through honest questioning as to why adhd diagnoses are thousands of times greater in the west, eg. maybe if we didn't get forced into a 9-5 schedule and instead had a bit more freedom , people would be more happy to devote energy to their work ...
I am not responding further for your sake, but for the sake of those who read this thread.
> taking speed makes anyone more productive, not just those with adhd.
Speed (methamphetamine) has the same relationship to Adderall (dextroamphetamines) as methanol does to ethanol; a difference in methyl group.
Ethanol (aka alcohol) is commonly used for recreational purposes.
If you think Adderall is the same thing as "speed", I hope you wouldn't mind drinking a glass of methanol to prove the point that chemically similar substances have similar effects.
> modern western society exhibits a plethora of conditions that are likely to result in the manifestation of adhd behaviours in non adhd individuals
Which is why the diagnostic criteria for ADHD require a lifelong manifestation of ADHD symptoms.
Notice how you say behaviors, not symptoms or traits, i.e. how people act, and not how they feel, which difficulties they face, what cost they bear, and so on.
The behavior of an ADHD individual might be no different from one without ADHD. We can be on time, for example.
It is just immensely more difficult for us, just like it's difficult for someone with a broken leg that didn't quite heal to walk.
And yes, anyone can bump their toe on a table leg and experience pain for a while. That doesn't mean that people with broken legs don't exist.
>a brain scan is not part of the diagnostic criteria for labelling adhd.
It isn't, because we have cheaper and more reliable ways.
The difference is there though.
> you would have to provide a convincing argument that doping up the populace is objectively the best path forward - to me it seems that this is not the best path forward, rather one that serves to minimize societal friction.
Believing that "doping up the populace" is what's taking place is a delusion that I can't address in the same way that I can't address the belief that the Loch Ness monster caused the 2019 Coronavirus pandemic.
Unfortunately, your worldview seem to be as strongly detached from reality as you are convinced about the veracity of your unshakable beliefs.
But again, if you sincerely believe people taking Adderall are taking speed, you really could save a lot on booze by drinking methanol instead.
Do let us know how that goes.