I imagine since they're on the receiving end, they'd know. Also if even one HNer tried to dox me I'd ban the lot of you, and I'm a relatively cantankerous straight white guy.
I get it. I guess i find it so exceedingly bizarre to dox someone, especially when known for being brilliant people - it probably doesn't register properly.
Doxing is an exaggeration of what it is. They have a very public online presence in the first place and made it pretty obvious, and they self-promote. It's just putting 2 and 2 together. The "block" on HN seems to have more to do with their gripes about inaccurate or negative comments than about attacks, unless I missed something.
Most of the harm of "doxing" isn't revealing information, which in many cases can be found online for people like software engineers who have public CVs, but rather targeting of those individuals in communities that are predisposed against them and willing to take action be it through emails, comments, etc.
There's a lot to be said about any number of people privately or publicly spamming you, intimidating you, or threatening you on a _personal_ level.
I agree, but I don't think there's any harm in being honest about in this case, since it's pretty on-brand for their public persona. It just seems like a weird hang-up, which ironically fuels the rumor mill. "Hey, isn't this Twitter account run by the same person as that Twitter account?" is pretty harmless as far as "doxing" goes, and when you've let it slip a number of times, what's the point? It's naive to expect total anonymity and zero negative attention with a flamboyant public persona (not meant to be derogatory), especially when you're making money from it, and if you add fuel on the fire on top of that...
"Half" is hyperbole, but it's a sizable minority that's obnoxious and persistent enough that nearly every trans hacker I follow has a gripe with HN. (Which is a greater number than you'd think; not that long ago I found out it's a meme in the transfemme community to refer to striped thigh-highs as "programmer socks")
> I have never seen anyone on this website [...] even transphobic at all.
These kinds of comments are here, but are are usually quickly downvoted/flagged to death. If you really want to see them, turn on showdead and look down the bottom of threads somehow related to trans people. It's not nearly as common as ohgodplsno implied though.
As I said, I haven't seen them. If they get downvoted immediately so they are hidden then just don't enable showdead... And you cut out the 'violently' part.
Frankly I don't think someone's views on whether it is possible to change gender is relevant on every topic that tangentially related to a transgender person. But if someone disagrees, and disagrees that it is possible, that doesn't make their comments "violent". This is reminiscent of the "trans genocide" conspiracy theory.
You're not in charge of what things mean. Here's Wikipedia:
> Doxing or doxxing is the act of publicly providing personally identifiable information about an individual or organization, usually via the Internet.
This would include publishing PII about Asahi Lina, like her "real" name, as it personally identifies her.
It's no wonder the Asahi Linux project doesn't want to talk to people with your attitude. Maybe take some time to do some introspection on why you feel so strongly about this issue, which seems to impact you not at all.
Publishing someone's real name online isn't doxing when his real name is already publically available online. It just isn't personally identifiable information when it is already public. Is it doxing to say that "rms" means Richard Stallman? Grow up. He is one of many people online that sometimes uses a pseudonym, and pointing out that he contributes to the project as himself and also contributes while creepily pretending to be a female child on Twitch (not at all disturbing, no way) is not doxing.
I don't "feel strongly" about it at all. Save the pop psychologising for someone else. Awful tactic to try to use.
> Publishing someone's real name online isn't doxing when his real name is already publically available online.
You're being deliberately obtuse. It's the connecting (obviously) that's the issue. It's like saying, "publishing someone's address online isn't doxing when their address is already publicly available online." Yeah I only care if you say it's my address.
> I don't "feel strongly" about it at all.
> also contributes while creepily pretending to be a female child on Twitch
> Grow up.
Insults, condescending remarks, yeah I believe you don't feel strongly about this.
I usually try to be cooler on HN than this, but this is super toxic. You've obviously got some kind of beef--regardless of what you say--and I think it would probably behoove you to get to the bottom of it.
>I usually try to be cooler on HN than this, but this is super toxic.
I am responding in kind, based on the way you are talking to me. If you were polite, there would be no issue. Instead, you make nasty psychologising comments and then pretend that you're a victim when someone responds in kind.
>You're being deliberately obtuse. It's the connecting (obviously) that's the issue. It's like saying, "publishing someone's address online isn't doxing when their address is already publicly available online." Yeah I only care if you say it's my address.
Publishing someone's address online when it's already publicly known what their address is isn't doxing! Everyone knows that Marcan is a vtuber in his spare time, it's been public knowledge since about day 2 of him doing it.
> I am responding in kind, based on the way you are talking to me. If you were polite, there would be no issue.
I've yet to insult or condescend to you, whereas you've condescended to me ("Grow up"). I'm not "psychologising" you, I've said that you're pushing an issue that affects you not at all but is harmful to others, and that you should probably figure out why you're doing that (or, why you refuse to accept you're doing that). Maybe me being polite while pointing it out makes it seem like I'm "psychologising" you, so let me rephrase: you clearly can't keep yourself from harassing people who live life in a totally harmless way, that's real weird, and you might not know how weird it is.
> and then pretend that you're a victim when someone responds in kind
Again I've not insulted or condescended to you so you're not actually responding in kind, but that aside I don't at all feel like the victim here.
> Publishing someone's address online when it's already publicly known what their address is isn't doxing!
This analogy doesn't fit, because--again--the connection isn't publicly known. How do I know it's not publicly known? Because I didn't "know" and I looked. I went to marcan's various social media sites and his website, to Asahi Lina's various social media sites and her website, and came up bupkis. So to be honest, I can't corroborate your claim based on what I've seen, and it's not for lack of looking. Could I probably find something? Sure. Do I care to? Not even a little.
Basically your argument boils down to: "someone already doxxed this person, so it doesn't matter if someone does it again". I think any reasonable person would think that's wrong.
These receipts foot with my own observations. Transphobia does tend to eventually get flagged, but often it only happens after the comments section has dropped off the front page, and all it takes is browsing with "showdead" to reveal things that range from obvious "groomer" and "mentally ill" dog-whistles to being downright scary.
In the meantime, anti-transphobic comments or people complaining about the lack of moderation of transphobic comments are usually downvoted or flagged, and all you have to do is look at the root comment of this thread for evidence of that.
> There is nothing wrong with any of the comments linked to by him in that thread, in my opinion.
Then there is no meeting of the minds that can be had.
> In my experience, this is always arrived at by some sort of absurd logic that goes "he denies that I am really a woman, and when you do that you make transgender people more like to kill themselves, therefore it is genocide" which is obviously nonsense.
What is happening right now in America is much, much worse than your strawman.
If you are trying to draw a distinction between murder and using rhetoric to encourage stochastic terrorism, criminalizing existing in public, destroying social support systems, blocking access to health care, and in some cases forcible detransition, IMHO you're drawing a distinction without a difference. Both the dog-whistle _and_ the fig leaf fallback positions are horrendous injustices.
Half of the average HN users spends their their either trying to dox Asahi Lina, or to be violently transphobic towards Rosenzweig. The other half is horribly pedantic assholes.
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