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I mean, sure, that's more or less how a company operates. You make a new product, you charge for it, you advertise it. What's the big issue? This all seems pretty standard.


> You make a new product, you charge for it, you advertise it. What's the big issue?

The issue is: from beginning on and for a long time Duolingo advertised with "Learn a language for free. Forever." :-(


> The issue is: from beginning on and for a long time Duolingo advertised with "Learn a language for free. Forever." :-(

The original business model (from the guy who made Captcha) was that the learners would translate text for others, for a fee. So the payment was labor.

Unsurprisingly that didn’t work out.

The alternative to charging was going out of business, so hard to vilify them too much.

They tried. They failed. They tried something new.


I wish they would have tried harder. After I finished Spanish in tried to translate some articles but the UI was confusing and there was no motivation like the learning bit had


I also wish that was still part of the product.

Not only was there more diverse content when learning (though for that I can at least recommend Clozemaster), but now that some part of my mobile experience keeps defaulting to showing me wikipedia in German[0], I keep realising how out of sync the different languages of wikipedia are.

[0] a bit of a tangent from the article, but it's been irritating me for ages now.

I'm in Germany, but English is the top entry in Settings.app Preferred Languages, and I'm using iOS 16: highlight a word, e.g. "German"; in the context menu select «Look Up»; this text is all correctly in English; tap either the title or in the links list the wikipedia link; what do I get?

""" https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language

German language

Dieser Artikel existiert nicht.

Möglichst ganze Wörter eingeben, die im Artikeltext, insbesondere aber im Lemma vorkommen sollen.

Hilfe:Suche – weitere Möglichkeiten zur Suche nach Artikeln

Suche nach German language in anderssprachigen Wikipedias

"""

I don't even know if this is Apple's bug or Wikipedia's bug


> The alternative to charging was going out of business, so hard to vilify them too much.

> They tried. They failed. They tried something new.

You only advertise with such a slogan if you are really sure that you will never have to pivot to a business model where you want to have the user pay (even if paying is "optional" (freemium)) since advertising slogans have a tendency to stick. ;-)


You can still learn a language for free with Duo Lingo.


No. I got duped into that too. After a few sessions they required payment.


I never had to pay for Duolingo. I decided to pay because I wanted to. It's legitimately teaching me a new language and I'm pretty happy with it.


Did you run out of hearts? Those recharge over time, you don’t need to pay.


I uninstalled it when they switched over to the Candy Crush model of making you wait to practice when practicing is what you need most.


The other way they could have monetised it is to limit the amount of time you can spend on it per day. I prefer this system.


Weird, I haven't paid for quite some time


not at all, they are pushy about you taking a premium sub but you can still learn for free...


what did you click in duolingo that required payment?


investing in yourself is the best investment you can make, and yet you don't want to spend any money


Agreed. The main two questions, in my mind: is this actually a good product experience, and are they charging a fair price.


How dare you try to make money to pay your employees


Their motivation to make money is to pay their employees?


It's a fairly important motivator if you want a business


Businesses exist to minimize variable costs. Variable cost is not a motivator for owners and investors. It’s a cost.


s/to pay/and pay/ but the point stands doesn’t it?


Yup. Having and paying employees is a good that deflects from all criticism of price.

When I doubled prices in my coffee shop, at first people were unhappy, but as soon as I told them I threw out the coffee grinding machine and replaced it with 3 new jobs of "hand-grinders", people were overjoyed and immediately stopped criticizing the price increase. I was just making money to pay employees afterall.

When I had to raise prices again because all the hand-coffee-grinder employees suffered severe medical injuries, everyone understood that too.

.....

My point, obviously, is that hiring a bunch of employees to design ways to trick people into clicking more ads (sorry, ahem, improving user engagement) doesn't mean that the company making money is suddenly an obvious and unquestionable good that can be used as a shield from other criticism


the product bad


Have you tried this already? Please share more of your experience


considering that ChatGPT is going to run on GPT-4 and is more or less free, why would someone use this paid feature instead of talking to ChatGPT?


GPT-4 on ChatGPT is currently only available for paying users.


> What's the big issue? This all seems pretty standard

I would say this one feels more later stage capitalism than usual, all it's missing is some tiktok influesters hyping it up.


Honestly, being able to build a company that creates livelihoods while simultaneously teaching people foreign languages goes against many of the historical and modern definitions of "late stage capitalism".

But I assume you're just using the super modern catch-all fad term of late stage capitalism that means nothing.

Also, from TFA: "Duolingo Max is available to everyone"


The real late stage capitalism move is Duolingo building a bank into their app.


C'mon, let's make lingots (the Duo reward system) into a cryptocurrency. Reimplement the service such that people doing language lessons are the proof of work, and miners (learners) get lingots as their reward.


Duolingo is the worst on TikTok. One of the most obnoxious accounts




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