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Not 11 but the "Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021" is significantly better if you want an (official) full fledged Windows OS without the bloat. I'm using that on the Steam Deck w/ dual booting and it's perfect


LTSC is no longer debloated. The latest version comes with the same crapware, Windows app store, "recommended" Microsoft account, telemetry that can't be turned off etc.

It's just a stable version frozen in time but heralding it as the bloat-free alternative is no longer true.

I have access to it through work and I gave it a spin recently but it's no longer what it used to be.


>LTSC is no longer debloated. The latest version

Which one? Or I guess it's not a public release?

I have installed IoT 2021 (Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 Version 21H2) like 3 weeks ago there was nothing, no App Store, less telemetry (there is some but significantly less than on the "normal" Windows versions, but I reinstalled the App Store so maybe because of that)

*Edited the wording

It looks like this as a fresh install https://ia904606.us.archive.org/11/items/en-us_windows_10_io...


Ok I have to check which version it was. I don't think it was IoT. I assumed the IoT one didn't have a GUI.

I will check which ISO it was and reply back here because I'm very curious now too.


This seems magically good.

Now, of course, the struggle is to see how I can get the ISO and get it activated. I'm woefully out of the loop.


As pretty much with a lot of things nowadays Archive.org is your friend https://archive.org/details/en-us_windows_10_iot_enterprise_...


Thank you! I'm also a little shocked, I had no idea Archive.org was doing this. I'm starting to get the impression that there's quite a lot going on under the hood at archive.org, just reams of stuff I've never noticed ...


>I had no idea Archive.org was doing this

Well it's the users that are uploading but yeah Archive.org has an insane amount of stuff


Until someone at Microsoft notices and puts in a DMCA.


Judging by its past actions, MS doesn't care much about piracy. If anything, I think they'd still rather you pirate Windows than use Linux.


IA has a carve out exemption


I don’t think so? This only talks about the anti-circumvention clause: https://archive.org/about/dmca.php


How you activate that? I think KMS will not work for IoT versions.

I use KMS activated non-IoT LTSC 2021 on my obsolete Surface. MS will not sell that edition to "consumers" like me, so I don't feel guilty at all for pirating it.


MAS should work https://massgrave.dev/


Windows activation is a simple thing. You need a KMS emulator, and you need to point your Windows to that. If you don't want to set up your own emulator, you can just search the internet for emulators, and point your Windows to one of those. This is what most activators do anyways. But running your own is also easy, if compiling and running a software is easy for you. I personally use vlmcsd.


I'm fully aware of the KMS stuff and how it works. But there are windows editions that are not licensed by and cannot be activated with KMS. I don't think there is any public way of pirating them apart from finding a working MAK key. No one seems to have digged into the SPPSvc and the internal working of Product Policy. (If you find something interesting that I missed, please let me know)

Unlike usual Enterprise editions, I don't think IoT Enterprise SKU will work with KMS. The only possible activation option seems to be with a PKEA key.

For a machine that never sees the internet, the IoT version runs in Deferred Activation state. So it is useful if it's for a intranet machine that never see the outside.


I just realized that you asked to activate a specifically non-kms version. Sorry, must have been tired.


> "Not 11 but the "Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021" is significantly better"

What about Windows 11, does something like "Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC" exist also? Would that be equally good/debloated ?

Thank you for the tip btw!


Just learned about this. I wish I could get some ameliorated.info scripts for that build. I might be willing to try Winders again in that case. There are some older win32 applications that I miss.

I just use Intel’s Clear Linux so… meh.


What is the difference between IoT and normal LTSC?


Here is a handy reddit post when I was researching the same https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10LTSC/comments/qw1qrs/ltsc_...

The main difference that IoT has longer lifecycle support, the activation method is different (but you don't even have to), and the IoT version is only available in english

But it doesn't really matter they are virtually the same


wait, can I use this as a daily driver on a laptop?


You can try but it probably depends on the laptop and how messy your OEM's drivers are. (they might require/depend on some component carved out of the IoT editions)


I use it to play games! It's totally perfect as a daily driver




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