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Yes Elon is known for manic states, it's not a new detail. The legal discovery process is basically also "digging up dirt", and both sides do it before a trial to bolster their cases. That doesn't imply malice (as in, wanting to harm someone aside from mocking them), which is also something for a jury to determine. And a jury decided, unanimously after viewing the totality of the case, that the comments did not amount to defamation.

> he didn't apologize > He said in court that insisting somebody is a pedo is a common playground insult in Africa.

Apologizing and making this clarification are not mutually exclusive things.



> The legal discovery process is basically also "digging up dirt"

Except that Elon hired a PI to do that way before he got sued.

Also, if child rapist is a common insult (this is elon's main defense in court), why would he need to dig up dirt on the diver?

Because Elon wanted to figure out if the diver had some history related to sexual assault.

> Yes Elon is known for manic states, it's not a new detail.

Are you implying it is okay for Elon to make false child rapist accusation?

I have no idea how his general trait is relevant with this specific event.

> Apologizing and making this clarification are not mutually exclusive things.

Nobody said they were mutually exclusive.

I am saying that he didn't apologize.

> And a jury decided, unanimously after viewing the totality of the case

First of all because BuzzFeed email wasn't included in the case

Second the diver had to prove damage, which was hard to do.

This is like Donald trump never commits sexual assault because he is not convicted.

Stepping back, are you normally calling your friends and families child rapists as a fun insult? Are those normal insults to you?


Let's keep emotion away to understand what's happening. You emphasise the alleged hate and are regurgitating the private investigator points. He made an accusation as an insult. And dug in on it, on his own FU money, to not lose the argument. It's not right, but missing the crucial context before and after: he was not the instigator, and he apologized for it after.

> Are you implying it is okay for Elon to make false child rapist accusation?

People say much worse than "pedo guy" in arguments, although this is subjective. In a response to another insult, I'll mark "Sorry pedo guy..." as an informal childish remark, not a sober threat with the intent to harm someone.

> Nobody said they were mutually exclusive. > I am saying that he didn't apologize.

I don't understand what you're saying here. This means he can apologize for and also clarify the context behind the insult. So far, his last words on the topic in sworn statements are that he didn't mean the comments to be a statement of fact and apologized.

> Second the diver had to prove damage, which was hard to do.

They had to prove if a reasonable person would take the statement as a fact of matter. Whatever dirt he dug up with an investigator is something that happened after the fact, and private comments he made digging in are self-inflicted collateral damage, not preceding the comments in question.

> I have no idea how his general trait is relevant with this specific event.

The totality of the case also needs to mention the context that he was trying to help, on his own dime, children who were trapped underground. It doesn't make his comments right, but taking statements at face value lacks human context.




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