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‘Alexandrian’ glass confirmed by hafnium isotopes (nature.com)
95 points by diodorus on July 25, 2020 | hide | past | favorite | 18 comments


Its an insider's journal paper so they gloss over what zircons are although they're the whole point of the paper.

The chemistry of zircons is pretty cool. A non-technical terrible analogy is they're like nearly indestructible test tubes that bottle up whatever contaminants are in the area when they initially crystallized and then they sit there for eternity or until lava melts them (and some lavas aren't hot enough to melt them, whoa!).

So various natural variations in Hf isotopes by location are bottled up by zircons, and when melted into ancient glass the glass liquifies at a half or third the temp required to liquify zircon crystals, so they sit there with evidence of where the materials came from bottled up for all eternity.

Zircon also shows up in radwaste schemes. Despite mother nature and humanities best efforts we generally haven't destroyed zircons over centuries, so it seems a useful strategy to bottle up radwaste in giant zircon crystals.

Weird fact, most zircons are stable at boiling iron temperature. Note I wrote boiling, not melting iron. Liquid tungsten is hot enough, sure, but not mere liquid iron.

Its a pity zircons are structurally useless. Of course it would be a recycling nightmare if they were industrially useful for bulk structures and components. Interesting sci fi aspect, all the chemists I've talked to are certain that Pierson's Puppeteer General Products space ship hulls were based on the idea of industrial zircons as a structural material although in one story those hulls were proposed to be a carbon fiber analog of zircons or something like that. A "zircon polymer", should such a magical material exist, would make an interesting structural material when threads of it were knitted into 3d shapes.


Don't forget that there are zircon grains around today that are nearly as old as the Earth. There are zircon grains dated at over 4.4 billion years old. They've survived _a lot_. These are zircon grains that have survived everything else around them being melted and metamorphosed multiple times, then eroded, then redeposited, etc. We don't really know anything about the rock they originally crystallized as a part of, but the individual zircons are almost indestructible and make it into new rocks as old rocks are destroyed.

They're also massively useful as a "fingerprint" of what rocks eroded to produce a particular sediment. You can identify things like river drainages switching through time by what zircons are in sands. (Search for detrital zircon geochronnology.) It's incredible what you can piece together by looking at zircon grains!


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadean_zircon

Whoa that was a fun read, thanks for sharing about those zircons!


"The RingWorld is unstable!" I LOVE it when there are real-world engineers interjections on sci-fi at this level. Thank you so much for the insight and reference. Ringworld Engineers is a book I have fond associations with as it was written to directly answer/address these 'real complaints' about the engineering challenges in sci-fi. This to me is the heart and soul of sci-fi and I don't see it often enough in modern sci-fi. Thrust gravity in the Expanse is one example of real-life physics in more recent books.


A few things struck me when I first went to Rome.

- How colorful Roman architecture was in its heyday. Some of the preserved interiors are full of rich wall paintings with some fairly modern abstract bits in the them. It's nothing like we see today.

- How much brick the Romans used. I remember wandering around looking at some ruins and dismissing some walls as "must be some 19th century stuff" only to realize that those brick walls were the original from a couple thousand years ago.

- How close Rome was to mass manufacturing. I remember learning for the first time how many Roman statues were the result of the client choosing a precarved heroic torso they liked from a dealer, and then an artist producing a suitable custom bust to fit the headless torso. The two were simply fitted together and voila, instant statue and less posing time for busy patrons.

- Roman glassware. The first time I saw it in a museum I passed it by, again thinking it must be some late 19th century early 20th century stuff. Romans just had pottery and such didn't they? No! Their tableware would not look too outlandish sitting at a place setting in a modern context today -- or at least as suitable flower vases.


> thinking it must be some late 19th century early 20th century stuff.

I'm always surprised by how modern the tutankamun cabinet looks. You'd think 19th century, but it's 3 thousand years old.

http://www.touregypt.net/images/touregypt/table.jpg

> How close Rome was to mass manufacturing

Indeed! Check out the Barbegal mills https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Mus%C3%A...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbegal_aqueduct_and_mills


Regarding glasswares Romans were already into mass-manufacturing many items, once they managed to use mould techniques with blowed glass, common items became inexpensive:

https://www.ancient.eu/article/592/roman-glass/

The technique, see page 9 of this (Italian) pdf:

http://s580172868.sito-web-online.it/risorse/VetroNotizie_20...

allowed for quick producing.


See here a video from the Villa Borg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaODucearU8

Also Ennion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYdwqnvqEi0

Here is the incredible Bill Gudenrath producing Roman glass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWZh7RXkW0I


Regarding mass-production: I once saw an exhibition entirely devoted to brands in ancient Rome. Here's an article in English about it

https://www.realmofhistory.com/2016/07/05/made-in-roma-roman...



> Their tableware would not look too outlandish sitting at a place setting in a modern context today -- or at least as suitable flower vases.

Don't underestimate the gaudy tortured glass of an Italian nonna. It's a tale as old as time.


You are very much correct. It's very much like something I'd expect to see in a junk store or very elderly person's home. The wiki on Roman glass has some examples. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_glass


And civil engineering! They had standard valves and whatnot as part of their elaborate water utility system.

Unfortunately this link was the best I found. But man, as not a civil engineer you could very well convince me those are early 20th century:

https://www.valvemagazine.com/web-only/categories/manufactur...


A lot of brick and stone architecture from later centuries made use of scavenged Roman bricks, too.


Their bricks are almost more like a tile. I can't seem to find anything good about why this was done. It must change the concrete to brick ratio significantly and something has made their buildings last a fair while.


I'm somewhat surprised by the colors because pigments have changed a lot in two millennia. Art history loves to point out how much more vibrant paintings become as new pigments are discovered and invented.


This is some great geochemical archaeology and fine instrument work from a well-built team with a strong multidisciplinary operation.

Progress can be achieved like no other when the project leader is the one who not only has outstanding instrumental expertise, but also performs the _experiments_ themselves.

Consistently over half a dozen major projects per year, this is high-performance operation.

If you're not dedicated to taking good care of your instruments, they won't even function the entire year.

For quantitation we've got one of the expensive benchtop models (and a retired one to restore), but they've got a _real_ expensive forklift model in addition, which makes this type of isotope analysis possible.

Only one reason I don't do any geochemistry or archaeology either, just produce boring old invoiceable paperwork.


"our understanding of critical aspects of the ancient glass industry is fragmentary"

I see what you did there...




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