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I think this misses the point. When people say "nothing to hide" they mean nothing to hide _from Law Enforcement_.

I think the only counter argument is to demonstrate how close many of our western democracies are to becoming fascist dictatorships.

We need privacy because if ever laws are passed that we don't agree with, we need to be able to break them until we can have the law changed.

For example, if it was against the law to be a pro-democracy protestor.



> When people say "nothing to hide" they mean nothing to hide _from Law Enforcement_.

I don't think so. I think people simply mean they have a reasonable expectation of privacy in all of their personal activities. There are lots of things I say and do that law enforcement would not be interested in at all, but that I still want to keep private, simply because I want to. I shouldn't have to give a reason; privacy should be the default. People who genuinely want to share every little detail of their personal lives already have Facebook.


> I think the only counter argument is to demonstrate how close many of our western democracies are to becoming fascist dictatorships.

What bizarro alternate reality do you live in where this is the case?


I don't know, but its scary here. Police march the streets firing rubber bullets into crowds. A leader who makes repeated and sustained attacks to discredit the media with the deliberate intention of having a population with no trusted or reliable sources of information. Foreign interference in elections.

Oh yeah, and laws that ban encryption.


The funny thing is, the reason I support surveillance and legislation against encrypted messaging (or at least a backdoor for law enforcement) is extremist groups like ANTIFA




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