> Jake Basile replied saying he just wanted to stay out of politics. I pointed out that itself was a political choice
And that was exactly where the language lawyering began. If you think there is "no way out of politics" and someone else says "I stay out of politics" then it is manifestly obvious that both parties are using different definitions of the word "politics." Any further discussion that ignores the discrepancy in the uses of words such as perceived pithy points about "HAH! gotya! that is actually a political choice!" is just confusing the entire issue, knowingly or not.
Next time, just clarify what words mean. Instead of, "hah gotya!" ask, "what do you mean by staying out of politics?" Or just charitably interpret it using one of the many variants I listed.
Yes. I understood his use in that fashion and responded to it. You'll note that the bulk of my point was clearly about how his choice was a luxury, not about the language used itself.
If every white dude who "stays out of politics" understands that a) they can do that because previous political activity of white dudes has given them that option, and that b) they are supporting that system if they participate in that system while not talking about politics, then I have no beef with them.
My issue is with the erasure of that, the pretense that "staying out of politics" really is staying out of politics. An erasure performed in many places on this page, including by the politics-is-sports dude. Or by xupybd, who suggests the separation of work and politics.
If you think Jake Basile gets that and was not participating in that erasure, great. I'd say that at best it wasn't clear. But given his follow-up edit about "not being politically active", I'd still disagree.
OK, fine, then next time just say "assuming you're a 'white dude', check your privilege please" and be done with it. It's much shorter and makes your point much clearer.
> If every white dude who "stays out of politics" understands that a) they can do that because previous political activity of white dudes has given them that option, and that b) they are supporting that system if they participate in that system while not talking about politics, then I have no beef with them.
You are literally still assuming that everyone is using your definition of the word "politics." I don't know what else I can do to explain this to you. Re-read my comments I guess? Because you still haven't gotten it.
Buddy, I understand your point, I just don't agree. I've been thinking about the topic longer than you've been alive, so I'm unlikely to be persuaded by you just repeating your point ad nauseam.
I also didn't hire you as an editor, so you can take your amateur writing advice and fuck right off.
And that was exactly where the language lawyering began. If you think there is "no way out of politics" and someone else says "I stay out of politics" then it is manifestly obvious that both parties are using different definitions of the word "politics." Any further discussion that ignores the discrepancy in the uses of words such as perceived pithy points about "HAH! gotya! that is actually a political choice!" is just confusing the entire issue, knowingly or not.
Next time, just clarify what words mean. Instead of, "hah gotya!" ask, "what do you mean by staying out of politics?" Or just charitably interpret it using one of the many variants I listed.