Iceland's hot water was a culture shock to me in 2 ways:
1. The host at our apartment encouraged us to leave the windows cracked and the heat on for good air circulation.
2. The hot water (at the taps) has a sulfer smell, because it's (also) piped geothermal water. My host explained they also had a water heater upstairs in their home because they preferred "heated cold water" over "hot water", which is a funny distinction to those of us who do not have the latter.
When heating is dirt (heh) cheap, it doesn't cost much to do things like put big hot tubs and heated pools outdoors, like they do in Reykjaviks swim halls. It's really nice.
Sure, it's very possible, and I'm sure has happened (an autopilot-instigated crash that happened >5sec after disengagement), but I do think 5 seconds is a reasonable threshold for this data, at the very least.
Another example scenario: FSD-caused spin out then hit by a car close to 5 seconds later. I've been close to this one before with a tire blow out but wasn't hit, but maybe you are right that these would be in the tail of the data.
I have a 2018 Model 3 with basic autopilot. I have an FSD question. Does FSD have different driving behaviors from basic autopilot? I'm not saying "capabilities"; obviously it has more capabilities, but I mean the actual driving choices.
I get that FSD (maybe) has/requires better hardware than my car. But what I hate about autopilot is all around basic driving:
* Lane centering. It's extremely aggressive about lane centering, if you're in the right lane and an onramp joins from the right, the car aggressively drives to the right as soon as it perceives that the lane is wider.
* Throttle/brake behavior. It waits too long to brake (despite having radar in my car, which can supposedly "see" more than one car ahead), and when it does apply the brakes it doesn't do so smoothly. It tips in somewhat aggressively, and you can feel the discrete steps in brake force application change. Ditto for acceleration when the traffic in front of me moves.
There's no reason to think that any of this has anything to do with compute power, it all seems to be programming decisions that have been made for whatever reasons, so I can't see why FSD would be different.
And yet, if FSD drives like this, I don't get how anyone can think it's good? On the other hand, I've also heard people say they think autopilot is good, which it's clearly not, so it makes me judge their driving skill rather than the different models. But perhaps there's some matrix of hardware revisions and software/decision models out there that I'm unaware of, that explains differences in driving behavior, if they exist?
A 2018 vehicle is 2 major version behind on the FSD it can use. Tesla is on v14 and 2018 vehicles are stuck on v12.
There's been rumors of a v14 lite coming out because tesla REALLY doesn't want to deal with the fact that they promised the 2018s could be fully autonomous.
Interesting, thanks. I haven't followed the hardware revisions on my car very closely; my father has a 2017 S, and I'm so used to thinking I have the "newer revision", since my MCU was newer than his, and he only recently upgraded it. I guess it should have been fairly obvious that a lot has changed in the past 7 years, but I've been hearing a nonstop trickle of autopilot/FSD news on these cars for so long that I guess I just assumed I had recent-enough support.
Honestly, I just dismiss all of the promos they throw at me.
Just yesterday I got an ad in the app "refer a friend and try FSD (supervised), and get $15!"
So I opened up the app just now and I suppose I got my answer that proves my initial premise was incorrect -- I need a hardware upgrade for FSD. Womp womp.
(That said, it still seems like the lane centering and brake/throttle behavior should have been easily fixed without a FSD hardware upgrade).
It strikes me as incredibly weird to maintain two separate stacks, especially because FSD was "available" when I bought my car. In retrospect, though, I guess it wasn't actually available to use, just for purchase.
So I suppose they had a parallel development process for FSD while building autopilot features?
But since there is a hardware support overlap, it seems like at some point you'd migrate autopilot cars to the FSD software stack, with limitations added in via feature flags.
Autopilot basically hasn't gotten any new features since FSD came out.
> But since there is a hardware support overlap, it seems like at some point you'd migrate autopilot cars to the FSD software stack, with limitations added in via feature flags.
This is exactly what a lot of people speculate will happen soon.
All behaviors I've observed with FSD in my 2018 model 3.
It's possible v14 is better. v12 was certainly better than v11 in all those regards. But there are still issues with the car making dumb lane choices in v12.
I live in the Bay Area and went to my Nextdoor because I was thinking of seeing if there's much anti-Flock sentiment, and (not surprisingly for Nextdoor), most people seem to think anti-camera people are paranoid, or have something to hide, and wish they were installed in more places to solve the (non-existent) raging crime issues, or speeding, or god knows what.
I shouldn't have expected much more, though, to be fair. There's a reason I don't use nextdoor.
The funny thing is the people calling anti-Flock people "paranoid". Well, I don't believe in dash cams or ringing my house with surveillance cameras and peering at the footage all day and all night. I think _those_ are the paranoid ones. What happened to just living your life and not worrying about everything?
How far of a jump is it from the buses in Norway with hidden remote access to "decoy sim"? It might not even be a decoy -- it might just be the sim for the "user facing" telematic/infotainment, and there's another, non-optional one.
The original Nest thermostat and app has been abandonware since 2017, as far as I can tell. We got one in 2014, and I can only remember one change. A couple years into my use of it, the iPhone X came out, with the notch and taller screen. The Nest app eventually got updated to fill the whole screen, and that's it.
To be fair, I can't imagine why an app for a thermostat would need regular updates - aside from what's necessary to keep the app functional on modern OS versions.
It's a _terrible_ app, though. You create a weekly schedule by dragging little temperature bubbles onto little spots on a chart, one by one. The only "advanced functionality" is that you can copy one day to another.
Also, you can change the current set temperature. That temperature will be overridden at the next scheduled change.
That's it, that's the app. There's no way to create a custom program for a single day. There's no way to set a hold temp that persists beyond the next schedule change.
Now, because it's a thermostat, and my needs are simple, and I don't even have A/C, it's never bothered me _that_ much. But it's clear it could be so much better, and they just haven't bothered to do _anything_ in a decade.
It basically feels like they shipped a PoC, Google bought them, and disbanded the team, and that was it.
1. The host at our apartment encouraged us to leave the windows cracked and the heat on for good air circulation.
2. The hot water (at the taps) has a sulfer smell, because it's (also) piped geothermal water. My host explained they also had a water heater upstairs in their home because they preferred "heated cold water" over "hot water", which is a funny distinction to those of us who do not have the latter.
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