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I don’t get the charger whining from people. If you add the price of the charger and the wired earphones to the price of the phone then with inflation it’s cheaper than the handsets were in 2018.

I’ve got 7 Apple chargers here as well. This is a completely rational decision which is transitional while we all move to USB-C slowly.

Your general point is right but it’s not the state of the company you need to look at but the direction they are travelling and Apple appears to be heading in the least wrong direction.


> then with inflation it’s cheaper than the handsets were in 2018

Inflation has consistently outpaced increase in salaries, so it still costs more on real terms

> I’ve got 7 Apple chargers here as well

And yet there's a substantial market for third-party chargers, even the smallest convenience stores sell them.

From personal experience the majority of everyday folk have one or two chargers in their house, and as many cables. If they sell or giveaway an old phone then a charger has to go with it.


I agree. I got like 10 chargers at home and instead use a wireless charger.


I imagine the people most annoyed about this don't have any, or know that they needed to. (Because you're hogging them all. Way to go!)


I am not sure it's whining. Apple is cutting costs while pretending it's for a larger cause.

I might also have 7 chargers, but none of them are for USB-C - the type of the cable that they did include with the box. So I still have to buy a charging brick.


You have 7 chargers and not a single lightning cable? Or a wireless charger?


Well you won’t have to next time :)


Added BMW to my vendor shitlist.


It wasn't already?


I never factored them into my plans before. I have eliminated them now :)

I drive a tiny little french thing with a chainsaw engine so probably not my market anyway.


Or just don’t bother clicking it.


That honestly is a tool that should be used more often.

"Oh, Twitter is a cesspool!" Agreed, don't use it.

"Oh I hate Instagram influencers!" Don't use it.

"Fuck Facebook." Great, don't use it.

"Windows 10 is awful." Other alternatives are available.

I know what people will say. "Hurr durr, I can't quit it for XYZ reason". Fine, you can judge that for your own life. But I will say that life is SO much better when you are able to deploy this absolutist hammer with a force of an anvil. I DON'T use Facebook or Twitter or Instagram so I just don't know how much of a cesspit those places really are. There is SO much life to live beyond staring at a rectangular lamp. As my mum says, if it's a chronic problem, either accept it or find a coping mechanism.


Yes, it is a shame people don't take action in their lives to fix all these supposed problems. "I can't quit for XYZ reasons" is bullshit. Unless we're talking life critical systems here, you absolutely can quit. Period. People's inability to do inconvenient or uncomfortable things is the main problem. Their lack of willpower does not absolve them from being complicit in continuing the supposedly terrible, toxic systems.


That's simplifying it a lot. Things can be really bad, but still be the best/only way to achieve some goal. If you wat to play games on your PC, Windows is your best bet, regardless how bad it is. If you want to keep up with acquaintances, you gain a lot from Facebook, even though it might be terrible.

It's crazy to think that you are not allowed to complain about things if you are using it. Arguably that's the most valid critique.


I'm saying too many people don't even consider the idea of "Could I possibly quit playing video games?" I've found an enormous amount of liberation in using that line of thinking. It's a kind of Zen "Eliminate the Inessential" freedom that comes through this attitude; "I just don't use facebook, and let the leaves fall where they may".


That was true in the past, but at least for me Steam Proton has completely removed my need to use Windows for games.

It’s a point where you can apply aforementioned anvil (something I frequently make use of) and just not buy/play any game that doesn’t work on linux.


Proton is a compat layer, and it often incurs performance cost or glitches. In a few cases games are not even playable. Granted, some games work perfectly.

Nonetheless, I've done my fair share of Linux gaming, and I'd never ever recommend an average gamer to put Linux on their rig.


When it comes to influencers...

For over a year I was bombarded IRL with ads in public spaces promoting some influencer instagram.

Sometimes you can't escape.


Agreed, sometimes you cannot. Hence my comment about being able to judge for yourself.

I am just railing against the (perceived) lack of consideration given to the all-in solution of not using services that are not satisfactory. I think people have way more agency in the matter than they appreciate.


> "Fuck Facebook." Great, don't use it.

I agree, but sometimes you just cannot. In facebook case - it basically killed most of internet forums as people switched to facebook groups. My experience is with car restoration/old car aficionados forums that were replaced by fb groups, but I'm sure it also aplies to other. So now you cannot find anything as they are not indexed by google, facebook search just sucks and if you set up you own forum then people just don't use it as it's "to much hassle" to open one more tab. And if you're in market for some exotic part fb is your only choice nowdays. Second thing, I don't remember where (maybe here?) I've read article how guy missed his childhood friend's funeral, because he has no faceboook account, and it was the only way that family informed his friends - by posting on fb that he died.


I swear half of the Twitter posts I see are just people disparaging Twitter... I hope your downvotes are just for tone, not content.


Then why are you here?


I like HN.


Grass is not greener on the windows and WSL side. It’s yellowed and littered with turds to stand in. I run both platforms side by side and the Mac is by far the least painful. Windows 10 on an average day is like gargling sand. I mean for two months now alt-tab is broken on 20H2 release. No fix incoming yet. Zero days unpatched for 90 days etc. On WSL it’s a networking and HyperV encrusted nightmare. Have fun trying to get anything vaguely complicated to do anything even remotely sane. Total shit show.

A fine comparison is the windows App Store which is genuinely like playing Russian roulette with a gun made of butter. The Mac App Store is much much much less crazy.

The Mac has its fair share of suck but my word at least they actually tried to put something cohesive together.

Going to put it honestly but I don’t think Microsoft are earning my respect or attention, just shouting about how wonderful their product is while it’s falling to pieces in my hands.


Microsoft isn't really pushing their store though. Is there even any exclusives on it? It certainly isn't even close to my first stop look for software.

Also, WSL1/2 has been great - docker on WSL2 is fantastic, close to zero configuration required.


WSL distributions and Windows Terminal are both exclusive to the store.

Wait until you try mixed mode windows and Linux containers. That’s the definition of a shitshow.


> Windows 10 on an average day is like gargling sand. I mean for two months now alt-tab is broken on 20H2 release. No fix incoming yet. Zero days unpatched for 90 days etc. On WSL it’s a networking and HyperV encrusted nightmare. Have fun trying to get anything vaguely complicated to do anything even remotely sane. Total shit show.

This is a rather bizarre list since I never had these issues on my Windows 10 installation.


It's a bug with Microsoft Edge's integration with Windows Explorer: https://github.com/microsoft/WinDev/issues/40


Neither did I, until I did.


> I mean for two months now alt-tab is broken

Not on my 20H2 release, wdym?


There are two versions of WSL, one is Hyper-V based, the other isn't. If you have trouble with Hyper-V, simply switch to WSL1.


That’s even worse. File system performance is so terrible that it’s unusable for anything past trivial operations. AFAIK it maps the Linux ABI/syscalls to NT and that’s it. So you get the dire small file performance of NTFS to contend with (MFT locking).

Wherever you go there are puddles of this ick to stand in.

I’ve been at this long enough to know when to give up and walk away.


Slightly tangential at best, but there was software I used to use in a former life that was developed and designed for Linux systems first. They were then able to cross compile it for Mac and Windows. When first using the software, it was only ever used on Windows. Once I started using it in more advanced ways, I wanted to try out the Mac and/or Linux versions since they had a CLI client. Both of these systems ran circles around the Windows version in how much faster they were to do the exact same processing. Turns out, they were using the same C-style calls to access files. That C-style code is very slow on windows, yet using a Windows native call brought their software to the same speed.

TL;DR Windows definitely has its own way of doing file system access


Alt+tab has been thoroughly broken on Windows 10 20H2 for over two months now. It randomly switches between the second and third window. No fix in customer facing versions yet either.

They are slow and incompetent.


This may explain it:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/microsoft-diminishes-windows-ro...

> The company is breaking Windows in pieces. The platform technology, on which Microsoft’s partners build their own devices, apps and services, will now fall under Scott Guthrie, who runs the Azure business. Mr. Guthrie’s unit, called Cloud + AI Platform, will also include the company’s mixed-reality business, including Microsoft’s Hololens device, as well as its artificial-intelligence business.

Maybe someone with insider knowledge will comment, but it looks like Windows is far from being a priority for Microsoft.


Man I still can’t believe Azure is number 2 behind Amazon for cloud computing. When they first started their marketing push to developers years ago, which I remember was very aggressive and full of evangelism marketing which I disliked, I kind of blew them off as some mid tier or old school oddity.

But it really shows you how powerful their enterprise sales machine is and the legacy reach of existing programming languages/frameworks.

It’s always easy to underestimate Microsoft I guess. Ditto with Oracle and the like. From our view down in the startup world.

That said. Alt-tab not working is an embarrassment though. And I hope they really haven’t let their OS QA slip this badly in favour of some growth area or whatever.


The comparison of cloud platforms truly is heavily distorted at a startup. Most companies aren't comparing AWS and MS in a vacuum when presented with the decision. How much of the world's software runs on dotnet? Windows, Office, and Active Directory command their own predominant shares, not to mention other tools like CRM. MS earned a reputation for the battleship; relatively stable, plays nicely with their other products, LTS, backward compatibility, etc. Suppose the CTO for an insurance claims company is presented with the decision of migrating a legacy platform which already runs on a fat stack of MS products. They don't even need a salesperson to convince them Azure is the obvious first choice, because to them it's just another cannon on the battleship.

In my experience the tribal evangelism for AWS is... intense... and they've somehow convinced people to proselytize unpaid on their behalf. Having worked with both I'll occasionally mention Azure if only to revel at the spicy takes. Honestly though, I worked at that claims company I mentioned. Likewise the startup I work at today threw their hats in with AWS. Both were respectively good decisions, both bad in their own right. As ever, try to do everything and something is going to give.


> MS earned a reputation for the battleship; relatively stable, plays nicely with their other products, LTS, backward compatibility, etc.

Microsoft earned thst reputation with a lot of development and organizational practices that they've since abandoned. It may take people a while to notice, but today's Microsoft is not prioritizing stable software interfaces and backwards compatability.

It took a lot of testing to ensure existing software and hardware continued to work with new operating systems, and they're not doing as much testing anymore.


Microsoft had some of the best documentation in the world. People really don't understand how valuable that is, and how important. Microsoft in 2020 certainly doesn't understand. They produce vast reams of auto-generated "documentation" where the only text is the function names with spaces added between the words.


Reminds me of PowerShell. There's extensive, detailed and super-useful documentation for pretty much all the commandlets available... but it's not installed by default. Get-Help ... will happily tell you that you need to download help if you want to see any details beyond command signature. Who in their right mind though this is a good idea? Such documentation should be shipped with the default install.

I have it on the top of my mind because it bit me twice in recent month. I had to do some PS work on some VMs that didn't have Internet access (beyond RDP). Sure, I can Alt+Tab to a browser on my machine, but at this point, why even have Get-Help? Contrast that with Emacs experience, where everything is documented, and documentation is easily accessible, off-line, and by default.


> I'll occasionally mention Azure if only to revel at the spicy takes.

Well there are a lot of old school Microsoft haters. I used to know a bunch of Unix guys ~ten years ago whose unstated principle was that anything Microsoft did was unilaterally a bad idea (and everything Unix ever did was always the best possible way).


Microsoft is also mostly purely tech. Amazon and Google (Alphabet) are more pervasive and threatening to other industries.

For that reason, I'm not surprised. I've seen the decision come down to not wanting to give money to the other two many times. MS is in a great position there.


They're including managed services like office 365 in that number though.

Might be fair because aws includes their services as well, but I'm pretty sure aws main income is from ec2, while azure is business tooling like active directory, office etc


And they seem to be pushing customers very hard on moving from on-prem to cloud for Office and email stuff. I don't know if they're subsidising the cloud services for now, or what.


It's really obvious that Azure has much lower adoption than AWS. For example, I evaluated their new Front Door combo accelerator / CDN product recently. One page listed their customers, and there were about a half dozen total. Out of curiosity, I scanned the top 1000 domains and found none using it. I got the impression that I was one of the few people even evaluating it, let alone using it in production.

Despite just kicking the tyres on the thing, I found about half a dozen bugs or missing critical features. That's just shocking to me.

For comparison, CloudFront -- the most direct competitor -- is far ahead in features and is used by far more customers. It also works out of the box.

All of the other Azure services other than plain virtual machines give me the same impression of being a first adopter and one of only a handful of customers.


Those customers are probably using it in some of their services. I’ve worked with a number of enterprise companies who are moving to the cloud and most of them have never considered something like front door to route their traffic.

I’ve brought Front Door into their architecture for the services I was working on, but even if they decide it’s a great thing for the entire company to use, it will take them over a year to get security to approve it, and then multiple years to get it rolled out to all of their products.

With Azure’s core customer base being major enterprises, it’s not surprising that you had a hard time finding evidence.


They still have a big .NET following and they make it easier to use Azure via their toolsets. I feel like it was mildly obvious that they'd do okay.


Alt-Tab isn't broken for everyone. It's working on all three of the windows machines I regularly use.


Alt-tab is working for me. Meanwhile, the bug first seen in prerelease versions of the new shell on NT3.51 in 1995, where the taskbar won't hide, is still present in the latest Win10 insider preview.


Sounds like a feature, not a bug!


I may be wrong but I don't believe Microsoft even has a dedicated Windows division any more.


Well that and they got rid of their QA and test engineers so nothing is caught before it's sent out... you just can't rely on free beta testers for everything.


> You just can't rely on free beta testers for everything.

Linux distros seem to manage pretty well...?

Or is this "it's only bad if Microsoft do it"?


We pay RH rather a lot of money for the excellent testing and integration they do. (And alt-tab works, if you want it to.)

Or if you're trying to limit this to individual use, I'll grant you equivalence once Microsoft stops charging their beta testers and offers them the source.


Fedora and CentOS Stream is RHEL's upstream so it can be said as "beta test" from RHEL's perspective. (gamma?)


They all do upstream integration tests because nobody sane likes being caught by surprise.

Even I do it and I work for a company orders of magnitude smaller


That’s an interesting point. Which for-profit Linux distro is using you as an unpaid beta tester for their closed-source code?


Fair point. But 90% of Linux submissions are corporate, last I checked. Corporations (usually) do a lot of internal testing before submitting, and then maintainers have to review submissions. This is long before the public ("beta testers") has to deal with any bugs.

And that's only the kernel. Distributions and their package maintainers have their own quality controls, as do cross-distribution upstream developers. Public bug trackers (beta testers) are a complement to these. The division of labour in quality control of Linux systems is fine, diverse, and of variable effectiveness before beta testers come into the picture.


If I'm paying for it, which I do hell no. O also use Linux but I don't ost for it, and it's hobbyist / power user os and I can actually fix things there unlike windows.


Yep. For those that are seeking a temporary remedy, open Registry Editor, navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer, create/modify REG_DWORD value named AltTabSettings and set its value to 1. Restart your PC (restarting the Shell alone is possible but will currently introduce more bugs).


Thank you! This is honestly the best winterveil gift I have received this year, very much appreciated!

When you say "temporary" remedy, is that implying there will be a real fix that obsoletes this, or this workaround will stop working at some point?


It's fixed in the next major release so hopefully we can restore the value back to 0 when it's pushed out in Q1 2021.


Awesome, thanks for the fix, and the super quick replies, have a great season. :-)


Oh god I thought I was the only one who had noticed this... it drives me mad every single day.


Sure it's not including Edge tabs in the alt tab screen? You can turn that off.


Me2. I tried three keyboards before concluding that wasn't the problem.


I rely heavily on alt+tab. I haven't noticed this. Can you explain a bit more?


It does exactly as described. Sometimes it will shift to the second window as intended. Often it will skip to the third window open instead, requiring one to continue cycling back to the second window.


You can Alt+Shift+Tab to go in reverse direction.


Or just release Tab while keeping Alt depressed and navigate the thumbnails with the arrow keys.


I think it only happens if you use Edge


Oh okay, I use FF. This must be why. I alt+tabbed 100+times and didn't experience the issue. Didn't edge tabs now recently show in alt+tab? I wonder if it's because they are surfing between two tabs and alt tab is showing the last tab they clicked on rather than the last window they had up.

FF uses CTRL+Tab to cycle through tabs like alt tab.


Same here, along with Win+Tab (the "exploded" window view) crashing the shell. Every time I have to boot into Windows, I'm even more disappointed by what has happened to what was once a great OS.


Ubuntu user here and very occasional Windows user too. Is the problem only with the GUI (same as liking or not Gnome Shell or having it crash) or is the problem with the "real" OS under the GUI?

Example 1 for the GUI: it drives me crazy that I can't resize the dialogs to edit the properties of a scheduled task. They were probably designed for 800x600 screens and they were a bad design back then (a text area please and join the lines.)

Example 2 for the core: a process keeps track of its parent but if the patent exits the process doesn't update the reference so you can end up with a reused process id in the child process data table. I run into that a couple of weeks ago.


I don't relly develop for Windows, so most of my problems are related to OS GUIs and bundled software. Like how for some reason, most of the bundled UWP programs stopped working on my laptop after an update or how Windows 10 still supports two audio "channels" (default and communication) which many apps respect but the output device switcher only switches the default one and not the communication one and these options aren't even available in the "new" (it's been like 5 years at this point!!) settings app so you have to use the old "control panel" one which has now been removed from the menu and sometimes even search and the only way to get to it is to search for something related ans when it opens switch the tab to what you need even though this is not some obscure feature but something that every mainstream communication program uses and most users eventually run into and everyone constantly bitches about yet there is still no fix or even acknowledgement from MSFT because they fired all their testers/QC and care less about their paying customers than even the meanest of OSS maintainers. </rant>

Regarding the more technical side, while I'm entirely unqualified to comment on kernels and low-level APIs, I actually like some NT/Windows design choices quite a lot more than Linux. Network transparency (\\shares) is a big one and in general the way external filesystems are handled (mounting makes no sense for desktop use - especially the way udisks or whatever does it). And while the way programs are stored and installed on Linux is a neat idea in theory, it all breaks the moment one app doesn't follow the standard and it imposes far too many restrictions that Windows doesn't suffer from.

Edit: sorry for the rant, I'm stupidly tired and have had a few drinks. Happy holidays!


Can you please get a different job?


This sounds like shooting the messenger. If it’s practical to break TOR (even just in part rather than in whole), it still will be even if @moocowtruck does change employer — you just won’t have anyone alerting you that you’re insufficiently cautious.


This is the most HN article I have ever seen.


Annoying because over here in the UK everyone shrugs if you mention it now.


I think it depends upon the relative age of the people you're talking to.

I started playing with a ZX Spectrum back in the early eighties, as a youngster, and directly credit it with my IT-career.

I only wish I'd tried writing computer games at the time, instead of hacking existing ones for infinite lives!


Did you have a Multiface? Not all that cheap, but probably ended up teaching me more about low-level programming than anything else, short of writing a Spectrum 128 emulator for Risc OS :)


Sadly not, that would have made things a hell of a lot easier!


To be fair it was a bit early technology-wise and they would have had to rip the entire thing out and start again three times since. We did pretty good out of copper in the end.


The expensive bit of putting in a fibre network is the holes and ducts.

Once you've got that you can replace fibre relatively cheaply. Guess what, BT's labs were well there too. They also invented the tech for blown fibre installation before anyone else.

BT were the world leaders until the Torys thew that away, for who knows why.

IMHO twisted pair copper or coax is nothing more than a slow cludge compared to real fibre.


There are a lot of religious followers of the one true AWS way of thinking. I dared bitch too loudly about SES delivery policy once and said to look elsewhere and earned the ire of the architectural elite.

This is insane because I'm certified too but a non believer, a concept which does not compute for a lot of people.


You don’t believe in AWS? Or not in SES, because I feel like they still win in general ‘want to recommend’.


I don't believe in anything past 100% portable IaaS platforms. Within those bounds, careful application of AWS is fine.


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